Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. She attacked the 65-pound animal, striking . I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. I live in Alaska. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. Crossdraw holster. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. For more information about Federal ammunition, click here. When confronted by a threat.. you need to tick off a very short, well reasoned and practiced list. I have yet to set foot in Alaska, but I have many friends and colleagues who either live there, or have significant hunting experience in the 49th state, where encounters with brown bears can honestly represent the hunter becoming the hunted. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. I mixed opinions about this article. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . If I cant do it with that then I guess I was destined to lose that fight. By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Mountain lion study highlights. Works good for road rage as well. And maybe just maybe you walk away on the top side of the ground. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. You need to be able to kill a bear in a moments notice, most times a bear is just doing what they do , when suddenly a stupid hiker startles the wild animal and It sees you as a threat ! I hope those guides told you that if you fire a round, bears start coming from all directions to eat the free gut pile. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. I have been involved in stopping several black bears intent on doing us damage and have stood two brown bear charges without shooting; although in one of them I probably should have pulled the trigger. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . 9 shot can shred the head of a rattlesnake up close. would have been just as well dead anyway. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! Hard cast is king. But also a few manufacturers that load plus P 45 Colt rounds that are every bit as powerful as the 44 magnum. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. I called out local F&G agent. What part of the state? It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. The video shows the mountain lion sneaking up around a corner behind an unsuspecting deer and rapidly tackling it to the ground, before dragging it off by its neck. Were they harder to kill then healthy racoons, no. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. I agree, whatever you have at the moment, is the best choice. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. Understanding that a grizz is top oh the list for a bad and aggressive attitude, a grizz cant kill you more then any other bear could. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. I have killed over 140 head of big game in Australia, waterbuffalo, moose, elk, deer, antelope, hogs, exotics, many black bear, and one charging brown bear in Alaska at 5 feet with a hand gun. Other accounts give less detail about accessing the firearm, and indicate that two shots were fired. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . In fact, a shot from a .357 caliber revolver or a shotgun at close range is more likely to kill a mountain lion than an accidental discharge . I have a short barrel S&W 629 that Ken Kelly modified. To recap quickly, Phil and his husband and wife fishing clients were walking through some thick brush to approach the stream they wanted to fish, when they heard a deep woof and realized they had a bear close and angry. He said none. When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. Absolutely. Ive chronoed this load at 1325fps, its kickass on Elk. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. I have had very good luck with both the 45 colt and 454 with 335gr. Does Bear Spray work?.. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. I started reloading and when the bear got to about 12 yards, I dropped my percussion cap in the leaves. 6+1 capacity, and will group within 3 inches at 25 yds. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Perfect gun to have, I dont own one to date but I would love to have a monster K frame, you could practice with 45 long Colts. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. Buzz, If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. Thats why I would always plan to have with me.a friend who could not run as fast as me!!!!! It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. The 12 ga. I use it on my sailboat for protection in the Bahamas, to take out boat engines. No browns in this neck of the woods so no need for the really big bore guns. When it comes to wheel guns should they be ported? This is no problem as we are talking about a custom pistol anyway. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. Since Proposition . This is perfect mountain lion habitat. There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came The Interior Grizzlies are not like your fat on salmon Brownies. A bear spray story- The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. Mine rides in a Diamond D Guides Choice model. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. you rig will protect you. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. As I think about it, I very well might start doing what commenter New Continental Army suggested: carry two guns. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. I have three loads that I shot, 200 gr. and driving a rig your not in the Alaskan brush. Mountain lions weigh up to 198lbs, reach 30 mph at top speed, and only bite with a force of about 400 PSI. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! If one only goes out when and where a mild breeze at most is at their back on a sunny day.. Well you get my drift. Weve got them here in the Central Mountains of Utah. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . My thought Brown bear commonsense options: They always seem to show up. No, probably not, but I would feel much better with this gun its easily concealable, doesnt weigh a whole lot, nor take up a lot of room than with no gun at all. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. Listed were all the big names but one very powerful handgun was not mentioned. A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. He said not really. Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. Shoot, shovel, and shut up. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. 39% were found to . However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. With 158-grain bullets moving at nearly 800 fps, this probably represents along with the 9mm Luger the lower end of the spectrum, as far as a defensive bear gun goes. Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. You can love a single action revolver but you wont find an Alaskan guide or hunter carrying one, or a semi-auto pistol without a 45-70 or 338WinMag at the ready. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. Im not against revolvers. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. When the smoke cleared the bear was on its back waving its legs. Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! Im not a hunter, but a hiker. Tracy Ross 3:00 AM MST on Jan 1, 2023. When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. The cowboy loads are mild and fun to shoot and loaded with 300 plus grain hot loads it is very similar to a 44 mag. Mountain lion attacks often allow the victims a bit of time to access weapons. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. On a personal note I dont like Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. I always heard all you need is a .25 auto. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. Carry a 5 S&W 500 loaded with 700 gr hardcast from Ballistic Supply. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. 45 & 9mm do not get past the fat layer to break bones and damage vital organs. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. I have several 44 mags a .41, .45 Colt and 8 different .357s in various types and the 329PD is lightweight and with the 225s is heavy medicine for bears. Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. It is same size as glock 21 (45 acp) so you can practice with the 45 for a lot cheaper. Im glad she now carries the Liberty ammo. Its a simple concept. The farmer who owned the lambs also contacted a trapper in hopes that they could do something about the mountain lion. 9. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Something else. Or even for butchering livestock. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. More is always better and the bullet is the key. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. Its time for some lab work, and the Feds arent going to let us stake a few bears out in someones back forty to test loads out on. Seriously funny ! ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. I can shoot 100rds of 480 in a day, that equals two loads of .44 mag or one shot of casull and none of the 500. One thing that does not get mentioned much is that Y pattern that a charging bears head presents makes for a difficult target to hit. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. tell me want have you really killed lately. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. Ruger, Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. In my tests with 300 gr. 357. They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? The +P shoots a bit higher than the standard 44mag rounds. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. Lion hides or heads without seals become state property. You didnt say anything about the Ruger SuperRedHawk .454 Casull? Will a 9mm or 38 spl kill a bear? Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. Too many horses, the federal government says, are crowding the scraps of . The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. And yet if you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for coyotes and small mountain lions, you are seriously underpowered for the big beasts in the woods. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. Hollow points sacrifice penetration for larger wound channel . Unlike grizzlies, black bears seem to be much less predictable and do not give as many signals huffing, grunting, ears back, etc. Do you have an animal or nature story to share with Newsweek? I was helping a friend butcher a hog he had raised. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. But Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. A lion's natural life span is probably about 12 years in the wild and up to 25 years in captivity. An official from the department visited the farm shortly after the incident and found tracks belonging to the animal, according to local news reports. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. Thanx! Until just a few few years ago, the largest bear ever killed was by a young girl in Alaska. That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. Winchester lists their .410 GA slugs as 1800 feet per second. Do you have a question about mountain lions? I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. A sidearm is a very smart idea. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? That was my initial question as well. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. bear which turned on him. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. . The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. Sep 25, 2007. We hadnt thought of that. Which one are you going to use first? I read with interest the side arms in bear country. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. Theres no such thing as overkill. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. But Garrett makes a round called hammer head. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. There was also a guy who used the Air Force M6 .22 LR/.410 GA over/under rifle/shotgun. I also recommend if youre down to your last round and the bear is still coming, use the last round on yourself. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! For more information about Hornady ammunition, click here. Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. The hunting part mostly Brown bear hunting. He shot it twice point blank with his 9mm and the hog just shook its head and continued to walk around. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. I call BS. Good article. A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . FL). In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. The Mountain Lion will return to feed on the prey for up to 10 days. Look it up. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. His cousin, the brown bear, is an entirely different story; when a brown bear means business you need to stop the threat and stop it fast, by any means necessary. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. Carry big. , .357 mag. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. Cork Graham (corkgraham.com) , a fellow writer, hunter, and Alaska resident not to mention an actor on the Discovery Channel had a bit of a different perspective. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. Lightweight and well-balanced, I had a chance to spend a bit of time with this wheelgun at the SHOT Show in Las Vegas. I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. 6. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. Big hand guns buck like a mule, and even though adrenaline is flowing, that big gun will jump and you will have to push hard for that second shot, The .460 Roland doesnt rise as much as the .45 Colt. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. Which brings up the old but true adage. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. Please reply. Size. My handloads push a 200gr hardcast bullet to just under 1300fps. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. It did not take long to realize that the recoil of the .475 with 425gr. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. There are many reviews of this caliber online. Can some of the huge pistols work? 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