"It would have been . One of the other ones was a Manson-type film, a hippie death cult. High Times: Did you watch television as a child? She is a presence; everything begins to happen when she talks. So I didnt have a kitchen. In clips of them talking on stage, Lebowitz looks uncharacteristically awestruck. Theres a huge gap in what people know, and theres no context for it anymore. I didnt want to have my consciousness expanded, I wanted to have it restricted. Im a horrible girlfriend. Customers paid 99 an hour to listen to this garbage. Were you expected to criticize what was going on? They had one guy who was like an Elvis imitator, only he imitated Oscar Wilde. There is only nervousness or death. This conversation began at a public event at the 92nd Street Y in 2013, and was picked up again in her Vermont kitchen eight years later, in the summer of 2021, when the social restrictions of the pandemic had, for a time, eased. Lebowitz: Every single time Ive ever written I thought I couldnt do it. Fran Lebowitz is an American author who may be recognized for her role as Judge Janice Goldberg on Law & Order. Id like to be the admissions director of New York. By the time my youngest brother was born her life had collapsed on her, but she was a very elegant woman when I was young. General? And I said, Because I liked your clever ads.. Lebowitz is strictly opposed to technology and to this day has no cell phone, computer, or typewriter. In introducing Fran Lebowitz to a contemporary large audience, the combination of biographical perspective and quasi-vrit style addresses the opposition between private and public (Arendt and Habermas). High Times: Do you ever think you cant do it? High Times: Why did you smoke an ounce of marijuana in one day? But to me, romance is the opposite of domestic life. I remember walking in the hot sun to one of the American bases in Antiguapast the crazy house, as we called the lunatic asylum, and the dead house, where the bodies of people who died in the hospital were put until they were collected by the undertakerto be interviewed by an American soldiers wife. Without these tourists, New York would be fantastic. Too insubstantial. I started writing for Interview in 1971 or 72, and eventually some of my columns became Metropolitan Life. Not at all, because I was going as a servant. I mean, New Yorks not exactly antiseptic. Then I switched to Vantage. She takes one. Or I would call people on the telephone and have their responses broadcast. At least to my face. $598 $300 at Ralph. LEBOWITZ: I drove a cab. And, first of . Amazon. BUT.she has plenty to say and has absolutely no problem with verbal expression and is brutally honest. Fran Lebowitz contains multitudes: author (with a decades-old writer's block), journalist (Vanity Fair and Interview, et al. I had always heard that Jeb Bush was the smart one. And thats why Frans first book, Metropolitan Life, has become a smash hit. I did once smoke an ounce of marijuana in one day and ended up in the emergency ward at Mass. Just because its February doesnt mean were talking Roses! Thats what Id like to do. So I would lie in bed and make up book reports about books that I made up. Photograph by Christopher Macsurak. It was The Modern Farmer. In conversation with Interview pal Francesco Clemente, Lebowitz here lays out her tongue-in-cheek platform for a mayoral run, declares the Donalds run done, and explains why New York is the greatest place in the world. CLEMENTE: If you were going to run for office in New York, what would be your program, and what kind of qualifications would you declare you have? I like that Oscar Wilde. My first action on coming to New York was walking into Grove Press, plunking down the manuscript and demanding they publish it. But I will go see any comedian. At the beginning, every day, you asked me a hundred questions about myself. Their antidote to this was giving me about 22 Thorazines. I mean, it is pretty shocking. LEBOWITZ: The first thing I would do is say, I dont care if New York avoided bankruptcy by substituting tourism for the garment business, which is what happened. I might have gone to the University of the West Indies. Did Lucy come out of a feeling that you needed to put your arrival to America in its place somehowto examine it, or to leave it behind? I got on this list, and I went and discussed products. Lebowitz: I went through a period of watching $20,000 Pyramid, but it was too frustrating because every day I won $20,000 and I have no money. I dont want them to come. He packs them, and then every time you move, they have to be put in different ways. In Andy Warhol's Interview: Volume 1: Best of the First Decade 1969-1979, edited by Sara J . When Im at my desk I feel like most people would feel if they went on TV., Some years ago, Lebowitz sold a proposal of a novel entitled Exterior Signs of Wealth, a reference to a French conspicuous-consumption tax figured on the basis of display of wealth. Fran Lebowitz photographed in Chelsea, New York, January 2021. With one suitcase? I liked it better than critics screenings because they didnt sit there trying to think of entertaining comments; they just sat there with their cigars, trying to figure out how much money they could make on it. Gauloises, English Ovals, any cigarette that looked like it would annoy people. Why did your family send you to America? They all say, Oh I did it this afternoon, or, Oh, Im finished. High Times: Tell me about your career as a poet. ever react to your devotion to their product? Because you could always get shifts in a restaurant. You published Metropolitan Life in installments in Interview. Fran Lebowitz. I remember she wore her hair in a French roll, and she wore what they called a hobble skirt. "If you can eat it, it's not art. It could be clean and less dangerous, and not horrible, not under a tidal wave of tourists. Interview, at the time, six people read it, believe me. I dont remember who published it. LEBOWITZ: I mean, because I had no money. . But all the girls I knew when I was young who had to workthere were rich girlsbut the ones who had to work were waitresses. I would have gotten a scholarship. Im sorry, were full up. First of all, there were a zillion bad jobs. texted me, 'Crazy idea, but I think you should play Fran Lebowitz on "Update,"'" he continued. He had only the biggest movies, and he acted like I was affecting the box office. A childrens book, Annie, Gwen, Lilly, Pam and Tulip, came out in 1986. . Comedian and podcast host Bill Maher pushed back against author Fran Lebowitz in his upcoming "Club Random" podcast when she suggested that schools have gone off the deep-end because of Republicans. I clearly had one of those eating problems, but I didnt know what they were. Initially, she covered "Best of the Worst Movies," but later changed the name of her column to "I Cover the . Bei/Shutterstock. Which, in my opinion, was: What is culture without gay people? Me and, like, five of what I then thought of as old menthey were probably 40smoking cigars, watching these movies. Its not an area of interest. But Ive never missed a deadline. I never make the connection between someones writing and who they are. To me, it would be even a slower way to write. It was a very terrifying experience because when I started to flip out having smoked this much pot I was in a room with people who had also smoked this much pot and no one would help me out. The good thing about being in someone elses apartment is its so much easier to leave than it is to get someone out. I reviewed lots of movies that never opened in New York, only in drive-ins. Lebowitz: No. Black cigarettes, every horrible adolescent smoking gesture imaginable. I think my most enormous smoking punishment was being grounded for a month. People seem to think there is some connection between talking and writing, but I love to talk and if there were some connection between the two of them I would be the most prolific writer in the history of the world. I also used to write a zillion songs. And the matron walked in, and the girl actually swallowed it. Needless to say, I'm a big fan and I'm telling everyone I know to watch it right away. Go to California. FRAN LEBOWITZ: The thing I did with Marty prior to this was a documentary film called Public Speaking. Im a great relative. CLEMENTE: You failed to describe your qualifications to be mayor of the city. I remember it because when I started publishing, I got offers to write for big magazines. June 15, 2021 6:30 AM PT. No, no, no. I like Family Circle, Ladies Home Journal, anything with recipes that use marshmallows and American cheese in the same dish. It went on at five-thirty or six in the morning. I still cant type. People always say pop culture. As if we have some high culture to distinguish it from. No one else remembers things from this whole period, but I wasnt high. But this idea that people cannot kill each other? High Times: When you were writing The Best of the Worst what was the best bad movie you ever saw? Anna Rahmanan. There are certain relationships I think Im great at: Im the worlds greatest daughter. Fran Lebowitz was born on 27 October 1950 in Morristown, New Jersey, USA. I drove a taxi. Then I moved to New York and switched to exotic foreign brands. They like machines because it makes them seem more masculine. You can get this book in the Derby Library in Derby, Connecticut, where my grandmother lives.. And he would type it. The idea that New York is over makes some people angry, but it makes me laugh. So theyre in alphabetical order, within each section. No one I knew talked about money. I would read it to him, because you cant read my writing. I was mesmerized by The Modern Farmer. Hes not going to be president. Lebowitz: I had a parakeet when I was four called Polka Dotty, and I killed Polka Dotty by eating its food. He wasnt a comedian, but he was the funniest talk-show guest. CLEMENTE: Have you been following the presidential campaign? But after a while Fran outgrew the bad-flick format. I mean, there are fewer good things than bad things. "It's a thousand billion," she continues, audibly indignant. People were pretty angry in general then. The one I wrote myself was called House of Leather. We have something here that you dont hear about anymore; we have tolerance. was he fascinating? Brooklyn was the borough of grandparents. And then, that machine is waiting for you, just humming uh-huh, yes?. At the foot of his driveway in California, Jack Douglas had a sign that said Have you called these people? I also thought Oscar Levant was hilarious. Jan. 11, 2021 2:36 PM PT. That doesnt exist any more. The idea of writing something without publishing it is too horrifying to me. A.I.P. Maybe Ill donate them to one of those film schools in Los Angeles for a tax write-off. High Times: Tell me about your books before Metropolitan Life? They made me wait three hours to see the psychiatrist, and by that time I was starting to come down. At the age of. LEBOWITZ: I dont cook. Fifty years later, she's still there, and the author, public speaker and humorist has a lifetime's . Steve paid me excessive amounts of money to answer his telephone. Lebowitz: I dont know if any inspire me. This guy came in and showed all these fake advertising campaigns and fake brands of vodka. Like, in World War I, a whole generation of Englishmen died all at once. I used to like this guy Milt Kamen. I mean, that is why we had that little war with England. They had very good writers, but they were these old, stout white men. High Times: I remember telling you youd never make it as a writer until you learned how to type. The other day I read that last year 58 million tourists came to New York where a puny eight million people are trying to live. They were also the most interesting people. I mean, unless you have an erotic interest in them, what other interest could you have? I wouldnt say that I dislike the young. You can see in it the sentimentality of Jane Eyre. It was written in the nineteenth century by, I think, a seven- or eight-year-old child who was the daughter of someone very rich who had this book printed. Id rather have people shooting up in my apartment; at least I dont have to smell it. The effect of AIDS was like a war in a minute country. I started being a poet when I lived in Poughkeepsie, and I wrote a book of poetry called Poughkeepsie Blood. So he gave me enough Thorazine to put the entire college to sleep. I wrote a musical comedy for my grandparents 35th wedding anniversary. And Orson Welles agrees Behind him comes Fran Lebowitz, flustered from whatever is going on in the street. Truckstop Women was one of my favorites. I would say maybe 74, 75. Im afraid Im sitting beyond my means.. I never saw those issues. Her essays and topical interviews on subjects ranging from the difficulty of finding an acceptable apartment to the art of freeloading at weekend houses have come to be regarded as classics of literary humor and social observation. . High Times: Tell me about your writing habits. Fran Lebowitz Toni Morrison was one of her best friends for almost 40 years, up to Morrison's death in 2019. As boring as reading it. CLEMENTE: Did you take drugs before you were 19? I would rather have a typist. I dressed in old clothes, thrift-shop clothes. Ill take you to 21 if you type for me. Ive typed some of my columns. At first Fran had to sneak in her own brand of humor. Bankers. But since that apartment was infested with roaches, I decided not to bring them to my nice, new apartment. Then to Merits. Frans column was called The Best of the Worst; her job was reviewing the best of the current bad films, and she worked as hard as a Variety critic, taking in two or three screenings a day. What are they going to possibly say thats of interest? I still have the clothes I bought at Bonwit Teller. I like people older than me and children, really little children. Then I read it to someone who writes it onto the computer. Once a girl was sitting on the window ledge smoking a cigarette and the matron walked in and the girl jumped out the window. Lebowitz: Not from the people who made the movies. Fran Lebowitz: I Cover the Waterfront. Now, even if you have money, you can have a horrible apartment. I met one who used to go to Kennedy Airport, to the terminals where people were coming from Florida, and there were a lot of Puerto Ricans who had never been to New York; he used to have a bathroom scale in the taxi, and he would tell these Puerto Ricans that in this country taxi rates were by weight and that it was a quarter a pound or something like that. I Married Joan, I Love Lucy, I loved all those situation comedies. No, Im just intrigued by them, because, to me, theyre like talking animals. The title song was sung by a truck. I remember what year that was. Lebowitz: The Village Vanguard. At my high school they employed a woman known as the matron whose sole job was to go into the girls bathrooms and catch people smoking. I have to take the TV off the chair. Theres a connection. I would stand in front of the class and report on a book I had made up. I have a double policy, which would also solve immigration: I would stand at the border of New York City and I would say, You can come here to live, but you cant come here to visit. If youre coming here, you better be immigrating. Alison Roman Dishes on Resy, Air Fryers, and Erewhon, The Gatekeepers of New Yorks Most Coveted Tables Tell All, Kathryn Newton and Paul Rudd on the Joys of Being Extra, Alex Cooper Calls Her Daddy Mel Ottenberg at the Prada Show in Milan. Your friends who dont write will not stay on the phone with you, because they have other real things they want to do. I met some very interesting taxi drivers. LEBOWITZ: Yes. Its not my preference, but it is my lot in life. Im simply not a fan of navet. Its the thing that Im most criticized for. That never used to happen. There was one 75-year-old woman who was a torch singer; she had varicose veins, and shed get up on this stool and sing Marlene Dietrich songs, also at ten in the morning. All rights reserved, In an essay specially commissioned for the podcast, Aisha Sabatini Sloan describes rambling around Paris with her father, Lester Sloan, a longtime staff photographer for. Talking is not writing. Fran Lebowitz: I cover the waterfront. In those days you smoked whatever pot you had that day, so rather than share with others I smoked as much as I could humanly smoke. This is why you have so much idiotic behavior among male writers. Copyright 2023 Interview Magazine. I had an ingrained hatred of Jeb before I ever saw him. Thats the problem. Over some twenty years, Kincaid has made what my partner, the poet James Fenton, calls a plantsmans garden, full of rare species. The 70-year-old . I hated the we. It was one room, but that makes it sound grander than it was. Lebowitz's rise to fame began around 1972, when Andy Warhol hired her for Interview magazine to write reviews of bad movies before she expanded into cultural criticism in her column, "I Cover the Waterfront." She released two well-received collections of essays, Metropolitan Life (1978), followed by Social Studies (1981). Not just in school; I count on my fingers still. She has two children from her marriage to the composer Allen Shawn, the son of the former New Yorker editor William Shawn, and in the living room she displays on a tableproudly, apologeticallyproductions from the arts-and-crafts camps and classes that her son and daughter attended over the years. I have a number of bookcases, big wooden bookcases with glass doors; most of them are 19th century. In time, she put herself on another path. I just knew an eight-year-old wrote it and it was published. Also a TV show that was on Sunday morning for four hours: I cant remember the name of it, but Sonny Fox was the emcee. The Great Gildersleeve. There is no such thing as inner peace. But letting people get on and off the 6 train without stabbing each other, thats good. See, then, if you had no money, you had a horrible apartment. The two close friends first came together for an HBO documentary Public Speaking in 2010, directed by Scorsese, which introduced Lebowitz to a new generation and helped established her continued relevance. The rest of them were mostly folksingers and blues musicians and other horrible poets. Especially because I was the only girl. He wrote a lot of books. The film, a mix of interviews and clips of Lebowitz, is . Once I got the contract for Metropolitan Life, I started writing longer things, because the editor said, You cant write these little, tiny things. I have the exact opposite problem of every writer Ive ever met: Every writer Ive ever met writes things that are too long, and they have to edit them down. Fran Lebowitz is a writer born on 27th October 1950 in Morristown, New Jersey, United States. To me, dictating a book seems impossible. I believe Im a great friend. - 48-page book (text in German) covering the Exploding Plastic Inevitable, Andy Warhol, the Velvet Underground in film and a discography, with many b&w and colour photos. I used to be ashamed to be seen with her because she was so sexymen of all ages would stop her and talk to her. Lebowitz: Sepia is my all-time favorite. Fran Lebowitz is 69 years old October 27. Stay home! But because I was young, I had this long hair, and people used to try to tip me with joints. They had a very weird array of people who worked there. All-around cultural oracle Fran Lebowitz really began her ascent to that pulpit here at Interview, in 1972, writing a wonderful column about terrible movies, and then covering the waterfront, as she called it: opining on sundry topics, giving advice, ranting, reflecting, and hooking the reading world (such as it is) on that voicethat saucy, When I was really young I wanted to be a toll taker because I thought they kept the money. So just think, if there were, say, only 10 percent of the hotels that exist now, there would be all these apartments for people who live in New York, as opposed to people visiting New York. But you could live in New York. Full-time Im watching daytime TV., The following interview took place one afternoon in an apartment overlooking the East River. Meeting James Joyce would be more on the order of sightseeing, like seeing the Washington Monument or the Jefferson Memorial. Well, huge myths grew up around the matron at my school. And I was once ejected from the Whitney Museum for making comments during a film about baking. I wasnt glamorous and rebellious. She never really wrote anything else and has since made her living on the social commentary speaking circuit. Then I started getting suspended from school for smoking. Fran Lebowitz, who is featured "Pretend It's a City" on Netflix. 246, Rachel Cusk and Sheila Heti discuss how writing her first novel helped Cusk discover her shape or identity or essence. Next, Allan Gurganuss reading of his story It Had Wings, about an arthritic woman who finds a fallen angel in her backyard, is interspersed with a version of the story rendered as a one-woman opera by the composer Bruce Saylor. I hit my limit at 19, and I havent had any since. An interview with the late, great actor, comedian, and cannabis fan Richard Belzer (1944-2023). Then I switched to Carlton in an attempt not to smoke too much, and now I smoke nine times more Carltons than I ever smoked anything else. I never write anyone letters. Fran Lebowitz kicks off her career working for a small magazine, "Changes" at the age of 21 where she sold advertising space, then wrote book and movie reviews and was hired as a columnist for "Interview" by Andy Warhol where she wrote a column called "I Cover the Waterfront." Its almost as good as being a mechanic. Lebowitz: I like Marshall Brickman. - Booklet on 'New York's Underground' - Large . Everybody else was. At the age of 21, Lebowitz was hired by Andy Warhol as a columnist for Interview magazine and began a column, "I Cover the Waterfront." Following that, she worked for Mademoiselle magazine.. And you know what we have enough of? No effect? And then I would go to the Factory and turn it in. We think his version of the navy pinstripe would fit right in Fran's rotation. LEBOWITZ: Or ballet. A sense of, Im all alone in the world, and I have integrity. I get tired, but fear keeps me awake. It became the major thing I was punished for. Immigrants are good, tourists are bad. For instance, I, unfortunately, take the subway a lot. LEBOWITZ: I only know how many there are because for the last several years Ive moved every five minutes, so theyre counted. LEBOWITZ: Here are my qualifications: I am a New Yorker. Lebowitz: I dont think I was a poet for even an entire year. Any attempt to prove otherwise constitutes unacceptable behavior. Then 50 questions, then 20 questions, then, finally, you said, Can you see Im trying to read?. I have a great collection of A.I.P. I know who I like. I remember the darkness of being sent awaysheer misery of a kind that I didnt know existed. The episode closes with Dear Someone, a poem by Deborah Landau. And as soon as we finished, Marty goes, "Let's make another one." That was actually a job. A pen goes exactly at your speed, whereas that machine jumps. I wrote an editorial about the matron and got kicked off the paper. And at that time he had every important movie, and that ended my movie-reviewing career. 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